Wednesday, February 5, 2014

5th hour: Last Fahrenheit Fishbowl

Good afternoon!

Today, we are discussing the last half of "Burning Bright", part 3 of Fahrenheit 451.  You are doing a really great job with your outer circle discussion.  Questions, overall, suggest excellent critical thinking.    We are also doing a much better job developing and supporting our thinking today.  Keep it up!

Here are a few ways to potentially direct today's discussion:

1.  Begin with comprehension questions. (level 1)
2.  Consider the ending.  What do you make of it?  To what extent was it satisfying?  Surprising?  How does it contribute to the text's bigger picture? (level 2)
3.  What do you take away from this book?  If I'm Bradbury, why did I write this text?  What am I trying to show?  To what extent do you think his messages are applicable to today's society?  Something we can learn from?  (level 3)

Be sure that you also proofread your work.

Happy posting!

61 comments:

  1. What can we take away and use to prevent this type of censorship of ever occurring?

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    1. We could take away some of the technology and promote the use of books rather than technology.

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    2. I don't feel like we need to take away anything to prevent this from happening. We just need to be more aware of the direction we are headed. If we continue to think for ourselves and build relationships then we wont get to this point.

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    3. With sites like sparknotes, and other cliff notes like that, how can we draw the line and know where to stop? Our society is already on track to be like this.

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    4. We also need to recognize and be aware of the way we think and we need to be focused as a whole society because if not all of us are thinking and focused together then one rises up and creates something that the others might not even care about because the dont care due to the way they think. This is also what beatty explains on page 58.

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  2. As Kendall said, "Stand up for what is right, even if youre standing alone". How can we apply this to the book?

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    1. Well, Montag was alone really, he lost his wife for standing up, his friends (Clarisse), and so he was alone even if he did find people with the same beliefs, he lost the people that he cared most about.

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    2. We can apply this to the book because even though Montag didn't know if there was anyone else out there that knew something was wrong about books being illegal, he still did what he did whether he was alone or not.

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  3. Were you surprised with the outcome of the book? Why? What was the ending you imagined?

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    1. At the beginning of the book I thought that Montag was going to go back to his own ways. When he went back to the firehouse and started ignoring Faber I was sure that he was going to become a firefighter again.

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    2. the ending wasnt surprising to me and i think it could've gone a lot better like going to find the books or fellow book readers after the bomb and found someone

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  4. On page 147, Montag asks the men around the fire why they trust him. They say,"The looks of you's enough.... and you look like hell." Why do you think the way he looked mad them trust Montag?

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    1. The society as a whole only judges a book by its cover. They believe if they look the part then why shouldn't they be able to fill it.

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    2. He was no longer clean cut, if he had fit with the norm, why would he be so dirty, grungy and out in the woods?

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    3. He looked like someone who finally cared about society and wanted to make a change, he changed and his looks showed it.

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    4. I think that his looks made the men trust him because the people who are the "rule followers" look nice and well managed and they don't look like they've been through a lot because since montag has a high intelligence level there for he can actually think through things and he worries about whats going on around him unlike most people who only care about "their famliies"

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    5. On page 120, Granger asks Montag, "Have you ever seen the atom bomb mushroom from 200 miles up?... its nothing. With the wilderness all around it." I think this is to describe to us how little each person is, how they get so caught up in our day to day routines and for get to recognize the world around them. There is so much out there to see and explore, like Clarisse did, and people that have fallen into this society haven't seen any of it, except for their television walls.

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    6. I think the fact that he is even out away from the cities shows them that he is trustworthy.

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  5. At the end of the book, Chicago get bombed multiple times killing many people. Do you think this is good for the society?

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    1. No. Death is never a good thing.

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    2. I think this good for society because now they can start fresh and build up society how it should be.

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    3. I don't think it was really a great thing, but I think it did help them because then they are able to rebuild society the way they want to and not the way it was before

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    4. no its like M.A.D (war term) and they knew they would kill thousannds of people which isnt right

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    5. This could never be a good thing. They killed so many innocent people, just to prove a point.

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    6. I don't think this was a good thing, because there were many people that died. It wont really solve that much unless the whole country gets blown up.

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    7. I think there are negatives and positives to this. It will be a good thing to get a fresh start, and rebuild society from the ground up. But it was a horrible way to achieve this, and there are probably less violent alternatives to achieve the same result.

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    8. Death of people is never a good thing, but in my opinion, it forced people to see reality and, at last, helped them to understand that war is really harmful, they are not safe, and that maybe having no concerns for the world around them is foolish.

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    9. I think this was good for the society because it did get rid of the people who were against the books and against anything that would help people learn about the past and the present. Plus, how can we expect change without sacrifice.

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  6. How long do you think Guy can keep up his quest with his new group? Will the idea of books ever truly die?

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    1. I don't think the idea of books will ever truly end because there will always be people who remember stories or lines from books.

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    2. I don't either, books will never truly end. even in the society that montag used to live in even though books were harshly looked upon the idea of them never ended. it was a negative idea but they didnt end. beatty can testify to that.

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  7. Even if they build a new society from the ashes from the old Chicago. Whats stomping the people that bombed the society to do it again? They could take out anyone or a society at anytime.

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  8. On page 157, it says, " Come on now, we're going to build a mirror factory first and put out nothing but mirrors for the next year and take a long look at them. " Why do you thing Granger says they are going to make mirrors first?

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    1. I think he means that they need to take a long look at themselves and their morals, so that they know what's important to them.

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    2. I think that he wants to make mirrors first because then people will be looking at themselves, and have a good self image, instead of always looking at the parlor walls.

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    3. This is a kind of a weird interpretation, but i think they would create some kind of dome around this society so when bombers are searching for societies to bomb, they would appear to be invisible.

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  9. Why did the government let Montag get away? Is it because they are so scared that he had made an impact on people that they just want the people to continue to be brainwashed by giving them a false sense of safety?
    on page 141 granger states that the people need to be entertained, they need a show, but it needs to be quick. Did they let montag go because they couldn't find him? Did they capture that innocent citizen to reassure that there isnt a crazy man on loose?

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    1. I think they took the citizen so the government wouldn't show weakness and so other people didn't see Montag get away and start thinking they could also escape

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    2. They didn't let Montag go, they lost him when he entered the river. And they killed a random citizen to make the society feel safe again.

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    3. The government is supposed to look high and mighty, anything that would make them falter or show even the smallest bit of weakness, would make people question them, or the job that they were doing. They had to make it seem like they were still fully in control and that nothing slips by them. They didnt want others to see that they could get away as easily as Montag did.

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  10. On page 156, Granger is talking about a Phoenix and how they are reborn from their own ashes, do you think that all of the peop;e that still believe in books will be able to rebuild the city with new values?

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    1. I think they will be able to because as far as we know they are the only ones who are left. So they can make up the city the way they want to.

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    2. I think that the people will turn this terrible experience into a good opportunity. It will take time but I think that people will begin to rethink their society and establish a new way of living.

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    3. I do believe that they will be able to rebuild a new city the way they want because now that their the only ones that are left they can start from the bottom and establish a society that allows books and allows people to have their own thoughts.

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  11. I think scarifice was a major theme in this book. Do you think that everything Montag sacrificed (Mildred, Clarisse, Betty, his normal life, ect.) was worth this cause?

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    1. i would say yes because books tell everyone what life before us was tlike

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    2. I definitely think it was, the people of the previous society were so brainwashed and not able to think for themselves, so leaving them behind was a good thing for Montag I think since he is no longer held back by those kinds of people.

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    3. Yes, I believe that it was worth it because Montag was trying to create change, and he needed to sacrifice some important things in order to keep himself safe and to try to change his world. I feel like if Montag didn't sacrifice those things he wouldn't have made it out of the city. He would've burned and died with all of his old memories and his past.

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    4. On page 133 Montag describes how, "Now there was only the cold river and Montag floating in a sudden peacefulness." I think if these sacrafices led him to be happy then it was worth it. However, I also think that he could have escaped his situation and left the city in a much more civilized and less harmful manner.

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    5. I think it was worth it because it was for the greater good. This society was obviously going no where, so Montag gave it all up so he could try to change the way people thought. Because of this decision he ultimately is still alive and will contribute to this "new" society.

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    6. You can argue yes and no. To some extent all of Montag's sacrifice payed off, by being a catalyst for change in society. But in another way we are still unsure of weather or not society will change at all. So depending on where the society in F451 goes from here, it could be a good or bad thing.

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    7. But, as we discussed before, they are just books. It is a simple material objects. I am not saying I disagree with the popular idea that it was truly worth it, but I think it is important we remember that it is only material objects.

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  12. Do you guys think that Faber knew the men that montag met and traveled with?

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    1. yes, they said that they had a very large network of people. It would make sense for them to be in touch with Faber

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    2. I think it's definitely a safe bet, or he at least knew of them since he sent Montag that way and on page 126, Faber is telling him where to go and says, "There's lots of old Harvard degrees on the tracks between here and Los Angeles." I think he meant people with Harvard degrees that were intelligent andknow books pretty well.

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    3. It would only make sense to me. He knew so much about books. What im wondering is if Betty knows them?

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  13. To answer Nick's question, "Why do you think the police gave up trying to find Montag?"
    I think they just decided to catch another guy so the people wouldn't find ot that they had lost to Montag. I think they wanted the people to believe that no one could get away with doing this kind of crime.

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  14. How does Faber define the value of books?

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  15. Is it possible that both faber and Beatty who are both dead had planned this all for the hope of the future, that together they had led montag to the path he is headed? knowing they would both have to sacrifice themselves. Like montag said beatty wanted to die. Also there were many points early in the book that Faber and Beatty were conversing

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