Monday, February 3, 2014

1st spring fishbowl #4: Fahrenheit 451 end of part 2 and beginning of part 3

One conversation I've had with many of you is about your comprehension challenges with this text.  Please begin your outer circle discussion by asking these questions.

As always, to earn full credit for your work, be sure you are participating throughout discussion and are developing and supporting your thinking, especially as you get into levels 2 and 3 questions.

Happy posting!

55 comments:

  1. I think that Mildred began to think that Montag cared more about his books than he did about her and she decided to turn him in to get even.

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    1. I agree with this because in this reading section this is the most he has ever talked about books and made connections to them. All Mildred wanted was to get revenge on him. I just don't know weather that was the right thing or wrong thing to do?

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  2. l feel like Mildred finally relized that Montag was stuck on his books. Through out the book so far Mildred has given Montag many chances to get rid of his books, yet he wouldn't I feel that Mildred sounded the alarm because she knew Montag wouldnt get rid of them and she was afraid she was going to get punished.

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  3. In what ways has Montag changed since the beginning of the bok, and how much of that was a result of his time with Clarisse?

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    1. Montag has changed since the beginning of the book because he has become rebellious. He wants to read books, not just burn them. I think it has a lot to do with his time with Clarisse because she sparked his imagination and after she died, it made him feel like he had to discover the rest for himself.

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    2. Clarisse opened Montag's eyes to the world if you want to call it that way, she got Montag to really think about books and see them in a different way which causes him to change.

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    3. Montag at the beginning of the book was a stubborn fireman and at the moment right now he seems to be a stubborn fireman again. After meeting Clarisse, Montag was curious and made him think about life and about books. Then Clarisse died and Montag wanted to do something, wanted to change things for everyone. And then when everything got out of hand Montag was getting selfish, and really I think Clarisee had a lot to do with Montag's motives. She brought up many times throughout the text indirectly and affecting Montag's thinking and actions. Now Montag is thinking the way he didn't want to, "Well now I've done both. Goodbye, Captain. And he stumbled along the alley in the dark"(pg 115). This quote is showing Montag now and what his actions are and what kind of person he is.

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  4. When they are talking about the alarms going off around page 111, and they didn't respond right away to them, do you think it was because they were fearful something would go wrong? Is fear leading their society?

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    1. I do think fear has an impact on this society because they constantly live in the "fear" of getting in trouble even though it seems like everyone has books. They fear trying to change their own society.

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  5. At the beginning of the book, Clarisse said that children kill eachother and Montag almost experienced that when teenagers tried to run him over. I feel that the main thing driving the children to kill other people is them trying to feel better about themselves and trying to take their anger out on other people.

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    1. I agree. And also because all of the people don't care at all about the children so they might even be getting revenge for them not caring.

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  6. On page 110, Montag contradicted what Beatty was hoping would happen to Montag after burning his house and actually finds pleasure in his house going to flames. Why do you think that he finds this okay if that was his home and really all he had? Why is Montag referring to "Fire is best for everything" when he has come such a long way to stop burning?

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    1. I think that Montag has noticed in recent days that he really didn't like that house because of how little life it had since Mildred is always with her other "family" and Montag doesn't have any really good memries there. I think that this is a way for Montag to get a fresh start and leave behind his old self.

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  7. On page 113, Guy killed Beatty by setting him on fire, then on 116 Montag realized Beatty WANTED to die. How much do you think it would hurt to be burned to death, and did Beatty deserve to die?

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  8. If people in this book could get a drastic punishment for reading books, why aren't the people scared to kill one another?

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  9. He was running because he was in shock from killing someone. I think after killing someone you would be a little scared that people where looking for you. Also that Montag is not sure what to do so he is running.

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  10. On page 119, when Montag was inside the gas stations washroom, he heard that war was being declared from a radio. Was war declared on Montag or is it an actual war?

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    1. I think that it's probably not as serious as a war but in order to keep people under control, the government would have to make it sound a lot bigger than it really is.

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    2. I feel like the war could be against the world because I feel like the country wouldn't be at war just to get after one person. I also feel like they could maybe be at war with an organization that is trying to get books to be legal because they don't ever state who the war is against.

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  11. When montag says he would burn down his own house on page 110, do you think it is because he has never showed that he cares that much but deep down he does care and he is too scared to admit it?

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    1. I think Montag meant it when he said he would burn down his own because he really doesn't care that much about it. All that that house really has are the "walls/family" for Mildred. Montag might care a little bit deep down but standing up for what he believes in is more important.

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  12. Earlier in the book Montag describes Mildred as a strange woman. He described how they just came home to each other like strangers in the wrong house. It seems as if neither of them truly have any feelings for the other. This reminds me of Harrison Bergeron because of the dead relationship between Mr. and Mrs. Bergeron. However, Montag thinks and worries about Clarisse often which makes me wonder if he loves her.

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  13. Mrs Black is a fighter and that is the reason they are trying to plant books in other peoples houses. I feel like they are trying to draw attention to people's, who they don't like, houses so officials know that more people than they know have books.

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  14. On page 121, a bunch of punk kids tried to kill Montag. Would that have been karma for killing Beatty or just by chance?

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    1. I feel like the teenagers were just messing around with Montag because when he fell he was done and the kids just decided to swerve away from him. And when they did that they laughed as they drove away from him.

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    2. I think that they are just trying to kill him not because of him killing beatty but by just trying to kill him for the fun of it. Because earlier in the book, kids kill each other for fun and montag said that when he was a kid, other people tried to kill him. They were looking for thrill

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  15. I feel as if Montag didn't think that Mildred would turn him in because they were married and he had much trust in her. Also I feel like he is in denial from Clarisses death and he thinks that he wouldn't be betrayed by someone he knew well.

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  16. I think the hound shows Montag still on the side of the law and the firefighters. Then when the hound dies it shows how Montag has chosen the other side of the books. So the hound being killed shows Montags change.

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  17. Why would Mildred choose the law over her own husband? It shows how much the government in this world has brainwashed their citizens.

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    1. Mildred chose the law over her own husband because I think that they really don't actually love each other. Mildred has never been a real wife to Montag because all that matters to her is the "family". She knows Montag is rebelling and since she is so brainwashed from the government, she turns him in because she has only noticed the wrong he's doing. MIldred isn't there to support and help Montag at all.

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    2. It's also another instance that shows that they aren't really in love.

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    3. This is true, but I don't feel that Mildred truly loved Montag in the first place. If anything she loved her "families" and she loved television. So without this real love for him it was easy to choose to run away from him than it was to stay and support and help Montag.

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  18. will Montag's past come back to haunt him in his adventure of trying to bring books back into normal life?

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  19. Right after Montag burned Beatty to death, he was attacked by the mechanical hound which injected something into his leg and then his leg got hit by a car moving very fast. Do you think Montag will be able to finish what he started with his new injuries?

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  20. I think Montag was able to burn down his own house because he lived a life he hated with a woman he didn't love in it. I don't feel like he was incredibly attached to his house.

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  21. Will Montag be able to betray his work as easily as he thinks or is he more attached to his work and the people than he thinks?

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    1. I think Montag will have some trouble betraying his work because being a fireman has been his whole purpose in life. In this society, he is now considered "nothing". I also think Montag will be able to handle it easily though because deep down he has always disagreed with burning books. Now that he has changed and knows that burning books is wrong, he'll be able to step away from it.

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  22. If what they wanted was the people to see firefighters getting in trouble for having books then isn't what happened t Montag a good thing? They have all sorts of police looking for Montag and everyone can hear on their Seashell Radios that there is a fireman who has been hiding books. Although I'm sure that this isn't the way that Montag and Faber wanted it to go but it is what they wanted to happen.

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  23. If this was your loved one, what would you do in Mildred's case? Could you get yourself to turn him in even though it is your husband or wife?

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    1. If it were me, I wouldn't turn in a loved one. I don't think that Montag and Mildred really loved each other though.

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  24. In this world, how do think the marriage process works? Do they have matchmakers or something?

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    1. I feel as if they would have matchmakers because it seems as if Mildred and Montag have nothing in common. It also seems like they don't have much trust because Mildred did not have faith in Montag about them not being caught for having so many books. Also Mildred shows signs of betrayal because she called in to have all of Montag's books burned and she had to know that Montag would be punished after all his books were burned.

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  25. Since montag is revolting and saying books are good now and people are starting to dislike him now, what would happen if the whole fire station or alot more people started to express their love for books?

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    2. I feel like if more people expressed their love for books, especially high ranked people like firefighters, they would start to accept them. They would start to because it is more people so others will give into peer pressure and start to accept them. And even more if the firefighters who destroy what is evil now say it is good, even more people will accept them.

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  26. Mildred shows how she wasn't in for the love but the money and not love. I think she is not in love with him at all she only cares about herself and nobody else but her family. She only cares about some TVs and some walls with them on it.

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  27. Would this situation be any different if Clarisse was still around? Why?

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    1. I don't think this situation would be any different if Clarisse was still there because Montag now stands up for what he believes in and his thoughts have changed, which is all Clarisse wanted him to do for himself.

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    2. Yes, I feel that Clarisse even though not alive, plays a great contributing part to the book. Because of her death Montag was finding himself feeling and thinking which has progressed to even greater thinking and feeling which has led to his actions now. If Clarisse was still alive this would have gone a very different way, the change probably would have gone a little bit more positively because of Clarisse's wise mind and Montags willingness to follow.

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    3. I think that if Clarisse was still around the story would of progressed a lot further because she was the fuel to Montags curiosity and rebellion. And the end of the story would of changed completely like clarisse would be running away with Montag.

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  28. Even if Mildred didn't truly love him, was that where her motivation came from just not caring? Or are there other motivations?

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    1. I think Mildred had many motivations for turning in Montag. She has been completely brainwashed by the government and to be fearful of books, which has over taken her even supporting Montag.

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  29. On page 115 while Montag is running away it says that he "remembered the books and turned back" why do you think that in the midst of all this turmoil, Montag is worried about the books he'd hidden and would risk going back to get them?

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  30. Montag seems angry at the world and at his wife for just leaving him. "Nuzzling gout of the fire leapt out to lap at the books and knock them against the wall" I think that he is showing that he is angry like he is punching the walls and the beds.

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  31. Do you think Montag will go insane by the end of the book? Or not?

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