Victoria said...
When Clarisse and Montag
are talking about history and how firemen used to put out fires on page 6, why
does Montag just brush it off as a silly question? He didn’t seem to even
really give it thought. Do you think that since there is no books, they didn’t
bother to make a new resource for people to learn about history so that they
know these?And Tristan asked,
On page 9, it says
that there was a electrical murmur of a hidden wasp snug in its special pink
warm nest. Also on page 16, after Guy realized that Mildred was gone, he sees
her with two electronic bees humming in her ears. Are those "bees,"
headphones or those mental handicap radios from the reading, "Harrison
Bergeron?"
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Why do you think Montag is just now starting to express his interest in books, why didn't he do that eariler when he met Clarisse?
ReplyDeleteI think it's because the women committed suicide for her books, showing him how much people really value their books.
DeleteBecause Clarisse opened his eyes to the reality of their world. He never realized or thought about how amazing books could be, so therefore he became interested to see what is in the books. She also made him feel comfortable with stepping outside of his comfort zone.
DeleteHe had been one of the others. He was just another stubborn firefighter who burned books. He wasn't interested in books when he first met Clarisse, he was interested in Clarisse and the way she made him think. It didn't take long until Clarisse passed away and then Montag took interest in finding the meaning of books and life.
DeleteI think he just now opened up because it's breaking the law and not the normal thing in society. My guess is he was nervous and uncomfortable. Maybe he didn't trust her enough yet.
DeleteAfter seeing Clarisse and seeing the old women die,I think it makes Montag think a lot about books
DeleteI think that after the incident with the suicidal woman Montag realized how important books must be to her and the world. I think he saw that the woman was willing to kill herself when she had to live without knowledge and books. That made Montag realize that knowledge was super important to a healthy society.
DeleteI think that when he met Clarisse he thought books were always bad and didn't mean anything so he didn't talk about it. But when he actually started to read books and see that women burn herself for her books. He realized how much books mean and how much he likes them.
DeleteI think that when Montag first met Clarisse he had the same mentality as everyone else and someone reading boos in his mind was weird and not normal, but I think as he got to know Clarisse and the closer they got, the more he wanted to read because she was so different because she was so different from everyone else.
DeleteI think it has something to do with the fact that Montag didn't really know what he had until it was gone. Once Clarisse disappeared, he seemed to miss the talks and the day to day philosophical questions, and he thought maybe he could find the answers in books. Deep down, he has always had an interest in books, otherwise he wouldn't have a stash of books in his air vent in his house. I like to think of it as a metaphor; Montag's interest in books is the wood/fuel, burning the woman was the kerosene, Clarisse's disappearance is the spark, and whatever Montag and Faber are planning is a fire that will grow as the book progresses.
DeleteDoes the rain in the symbolize something on page 67?
ReplyDeleteNo, I think the author added that for effect.
DeleteI feel like the rain does symbolize something and I think it symbolizes hope in a way. After he was done reading a passage from the book that made him think of Clarisse the book states, "Montag sat listening to the rain". The rain is part of nature and nature is something that their world hardly recognizes as a beautiful thing. Rain is mentioned throughout the text of the book and I think it's just symbolizing a little bit of hope in a world that is close to none.
DeleteDo you think Montag has been planning this as long as he's been collecting books or has it just started to occur to him?
ReplyDeleteOn page 78 Faber tells Montag, "it's not the books you're looking for", what was Fabers message to Montag saying?
ReplyDeleteI think that Faber is referring to Montag's search for knowledge.
DeleteOn page 68 Montag talks about how Clarisse was the first person he really liked in a while and I think the old man in the poetry book was like Clarisse for him. I think that Montag likes the people who are different and think than the people who don't think at all and are normal.
ReplyDeleteOn page 76 Montag observes Faber, "Then his eyes touched on the the book under Montag's arm and he did not look so old anymore and not quite as fragile." Why did this book shift the man's behavior? Why do people feel like books are so powerful?
ReplyDeleteI think that it was powerful because it's a fireman that has the book. Faber might have been astounded when he saw a fireman with a book seeing as though firemen are supposed to destroy books.
DeleteI think it's because it reminds him of the time before all the firemen and the burning of the books
DeleteI think that Faber's mood was shifted by the book because yes, a fireman was holding the book, but also because it was the Bible. The Bible is a very powerful text now but even then in their world and this being maybe the only copy left is huge. Faber probably thought he would never see such a text anymore. People feel like books are powerful because like Faber said on page 79, "Because they have quality. And what does the word quality mean? To me it means texture". Books have quality there's so many meanings to them and so many ways to interpret a text and like Faber said, "The magic is only in what books say".
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ReplyDeleteOn page 73, when Guy was about to walk out the door, he stopped to ask Mildred if her 'Family' loves her very much with all their heart and soul. He said he felt her blinking slowly on the back of his neck. Has this question struck Mildred deeply to make her reconsider her 'family?'
ReplyDeleteOn the top of page 72, they must talk in secret even about the Bible. How can they have religion without the bible?
ReplyDeleteI think it is only possible if you accept others and what they think. Everyone can sin differently and pray differently without reading one Bible verse. I think you can be religious without the Bible if you set morals for yourself to follow.
DeleteI think that like books, religion is outlawed so the Bible is kind of the best of both worlds. Like they still believe and read it but don't talk about it or allowed to talk about it.
DeleteTo be honest I don't think there is much of a religious influence in this society. But the Bible is such an immensely powerful book and if the people start to read it the truths will rise and hope and strength will be inflicted in the people and there will be change. In the Bible in Philippians 4:8-9 states, "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me—practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you." If society were to read something like this they would have that extra push of faith to have proof that they are worth something and the government can't deny the truth.
DeleteOn page 85, Faber says, "Those who don't build must burn." What do you think he meant by this?
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ReplyDeleteWhen Montag met Clarisse, she told him or inferred to him that she loved books. Do you think Montag really did like them then too but since he was a fireman he couldn't say anything to the public?
ReplyDeleteI think that he liked books before he met Clarisse because when they were at the old woman's house, he took one book. But the next day after Betty leaves, Montag starts pulling books from the back of the grill of an air-conditioner. Also on page 62, he said he hid them for about a year.
DeleteOn page 82 it says "Most of us can't rush around, talk to everyone, know all the cities of the world, we haven't time, money or that many friends." It seems as though they want change. Do you think a revolution is coming? If so, who would be the leader or most important person?
ReplyDeleteA revolution is coming, and the most important leader would be one who sees both opinions, but can persuade others to read books. The leader would be Montag. He will be able to explain his past of burning books, his present of starting to read books, and his dream of making books legal again.
DeleteIs the belief of "books are bad" indoctrinated now in the people, or still by choice?
ReplyDeleteOn page 84 it says "Would you like to own this?", speaking about the Bible. Could there be a black market for books? How long has that been going on?
ReplyDeleteNo matter the rules, there will always be rebellion. I think that this has been going on since the rule was put in place.
DeleteI think no matter what society has a big enough impact on the people that they will keep their true feeling to themselves. But I do agree with Blake that there will always be rebellion and rebellion does change a society especially when it's so strict.
DeleteOn Page 72, Mildred gives Montag a choice between her or the Bible, If Montag chooses the Bible do you think Mildred would turn him in? Can you really trust anyone in that day and age?
ReplyDeleteI don't think she would turn him in because they might have evidence against he as well since she knew about the books.
DeleteI think Mildred would just simply avoid at him at first, but would let the truth slip out by accident. Then again, it would depend on how hurt she got. No I don't think you could really trust anyone in this society really.
DeleteI agree with Josh because she has been around books and read just as much so really it wouldn't be smart on her behalf. It seems as though she is just as guilty. I also feel that if it helps him live a better life, what good would it do to turn him in?
DeleteI don't think that Mildred would turn in Montag because she is married to him and she loves him. Also on page 63 when Guy tries to calm down Mildred, he asks her to help him with the books and after he is done with them, they would burn them together.
DeleteWhat makes Montag so different from everyone else? In other words, why doesn't the majority of their society see that the way they live is wrong? Why is Guy Montag the only one who knows he is unhappy?
ReplyDeleteI believe that Clarisse made him think differently and after thinking about some of the things he said, he came to realize his sad reality.
DeleteEveryone else just accepts that if the government outlawed something that it is bad and they shouldn't do it. But Clarisse kind of shifted Montags view by making him think for himself and realizing that their society is wrong.
DeleteI agree with Tyler. Montag truly thought he was happy before he had met Clarisse. I feel that because everyone is so brainwashed and brought up into their world where they are "happy" and Montag didn't really know what happy was until he met Clarisse. I think once something that made you happy is taken away from you, you think about your life and thats what Montag did and that's how he realized his society is wrong. Like is Mildred got her "families" taken away she would be sad like Montag was until he found a purpose.
DeleteOn page 69-70 Montag talks about how the rest of the world is staving but we are fed well. Why is the rest of the world staring when the rest have books, does this mean books are not the answers that everyone thinks it is?
ReplyDeleteI don't think that he means that books are the answers to hunger, because we have books today and there still a lot of hungry people in the world. On page 68-70, Montag starts most of his stentences with "I've heard rumors..." so what I think Montag is saying is that no one in that society really knows what's going on in the rest of the world and no one has any knowledge about anything important.
DeleteAfter seeing how willing the women was to protect her books, maybe it was kind of an eye opener to Montag that its actually a bad thing what they're doing?
ReplyDeleteI think it opened Montag's eyes and made him wonder what could be so great about books that someone would risk their life to save them.
DeleteI think that Montag and the old man couldn't do very much by themselves, but I think that as they tried to make a change that more and more people who have books would start to join them.
ReplyDeleteAt first Montag says that he can build the next wall but after his wife has nothing to do with Montags books. I think Montag has a change of mind for his wife and now he doesn't care about what she wants and is think about himself more.
ReplyDeleteConsidering the way they talk and treat one another, why do you think Guy and Mildred married? Not only is Montag not happy with Mildred, but they can't even remember when or how they met. It seems to me like if you are in love with someone, you would do a better job of showing it.
ReplyDeleteI think it makes Montag look at things from a different perspective, maybe he is starting to realize the importance of books, since the lady did commit suicide over them.
ReplyDeleteHow far is Montag really willing to go to try to change this prohibition on books? Do you think that he could actually kill someone if it comes to it? Is he okay to put his loved ones in harms way?
ReplyDeleteI think he would due to the fact it is something he feels so strongly about and will stop at nothing to get what he wants.
DeleteDo you think Montag will risk whatever freedom he has left to get the society to accept books?
ReplyDeleteYes because at the moments, he is at the highest class that you can be in as far as the books go. He destroys books for a living and if he did not feel strong about the books, he would not risk his life for them.
DeleteSpeaking about the law of all people to break a law Montag a Firefighter that burns books has his own personal collection of books. Why do you think montag has all these books but has never read them?
ReplyDeleteDo you think that Montag is ready of even close to ready to execute his plan? How much longer do you think he needs to prepare?
ReplyDeleteI don't think they are ready to execute this plan, they don't have any people to help yet and they don't have a real plan worked out yet, its still just a idea.
DeleteOn pages 69-70, they talk about their nation. How we have all the necessary things to live, but they don't truly live. I believe that they are physically nourished but emotionally weak.
ReplyDeleteThis is very true because it is stated in the first paragraph on page 70 when he says "Is it true, the world works hard and we play?" This shows that they don't truly live life to the fullest they just "play" their lives.
DeleteOn page 64, it says "And men like Beatty are afraid of her(Clarisse). What is Beatty and others afraid about? Why?
ReplyDeleteI think they are afraid of revolt and an uprising to overthrow the government
DeleteIF Beatty confronted Montag about him owning books, would he hesitate to burn him, his house, and books?
ReplyDeleteMontag was a hidden believer in the books, so Beaty could possibly be the same, but if not, then he would not hesitate to burn the books.
DeleteDo you think Beaty could potentially have his own book collection himself? Is that a potential explanation to why he didn't take the book out from under Montag's pillow that one day?
ReplyDeleteIt seems likely that Beatty would have his own collection of books because of all the historical facts he knows.
DeleteI don't think there ever was a dog at the door I just think they are jumpy because they are breaking the law. So I think its all in there mind.
ReplyDeleteI just think that they were paranoid because they were breaking the law, but I don't think there was actually a dog at the door.
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